The following episode is part of a series dedicated to exposing an organized hateful group that has been on a relentless pursuit to destroy the medical medium community, and that has been attacking, bullying, harassing, and preying upon the chronically ill.
Joining me in this series is a guest named Amber Vizicaro.
She's an alternative medicine practitioner who became a whistleblower after she witnessed this hateful group in action when they tried to recruit her to join them last year.
Amber caught the main members of this group on legally recorded calls describing their premeditated multi-step plan to create a quote post-medical medium era by feeding false stories and claims about me and about medical medium information to major media outlets in hopes that it would lead to securing themselves a deal for an anti-medical medium documentary on Netflix.
that would bring fame and other benefits to them.
Now known infamously instead for their malicious plot
that was caught on recording and exposed,
we refer to this hateful group as the plotters.
Their entire smear campaign is spearheaded
by one woman who comes from an extremely wealthy family,
didn't get what she wanted from me years ago,
and is now seeking revenge.
She's made it her mission to gather a bunch of plotters with ulterior motives and axes to grind,
including competitors in the health industry, to try to frame medical medium and take down the community.
What this organized, hateful group has done is unprecedented.
It's one of the biggest scandals that's ever happened in the health industry.
As you'll see, it's also one of the biggest instances of capturing corruption within the mainstream media.
So prepare yourself for lots of details and nuances as we are going to be thoroughly untangling the massive web of lies they have spun.
and we're going to be releasing a lot of disturbing new information,
new recordings, and mind-blowing evidence of just how far they are going to lie
to try to get what they want.
Some of the evidence we're presenting in these episodes
includes original written content, such as text messages,
social media posts that have been produced by the plotters
and will be reenacted for greater ease in following along.
Those who are listening along to the podcast can find video versions of these episodes
on the Medical Medium YouTube and Rumble channels
that will be displaying screenshots, photos, videos, and more.
Some of you may be unaware that this has even been happening,
but many of you have been tremendously injured and harmed by what they have done.
The record needs to be set straight and they need to be called out for what they've done
and are still doing. The medical medium community does not deserve to be attacked like this
and we are going to set the record straight as many times as we need to.
We have a guest here with us today who is a highly respected holistic health practitioner and speech pathologist and was a friend of Stephanie's.
Her name is Dr. Kimberly Spare.
Kim and her husband supported Stephanie at the time of her illness.
Back in 2020, Ashley posted her original false story about Stephanie, which she made more than 15 false claims in one version of and told more than 20 falsehoods in another version of.
Kimberly's husband corrected Ashley in the comments on something she'd gotten very wrong,
and Ashley had to adjust her false story because of it.
Kimberly made a statement to her own small private community
to calm fears and chaos that Ashley had created with her false story.
Ashley was not happy about this,
and she responded by attacking Kim and trying to intimidate her.
To this day, Ashley has continued to publicly attack Kimberly and her family.
Kimberly, thank you for coming on to share your story.
I know that this situation has been extremely upsetting.
Thank you, Amber.
This is a really sad situation.
A dear friend that I cared about is being used for an agenda that seems to have been created years after her passing.
I would have never shared the intimate details of her story because Stephanie's privacy is my number one concern.
However, the plotters have shared very intimate details of Stephanie's story and even delicate, unnecessary details about her life.
I was recently attacked and have been continually attacked since 2020.
The attacks were sudden. They were out of the blue.
I was actually really shocked when they began.
I felt it was really necessary for me to set a few things straight here today.
Yeah. Could you start Kim by telling us first about your relationship with Stephanie and how
you were supporting her when she was sick? Yeah. So we met actually at Ashley's home
during the LA medical medium event. Stephanie and I became instant friends. We realized that
we lived just one state over from each other and that she had a nephew that was very close in age
to my son. We started texting and voice texting a lot. Stephanie was sweet. She was funny. She was
loving and she was always looking for advice, but she was also always offering to help in any way
that she could. I would meet up with Stephanie for lunch at the grocery store, juice bars, and I met
up with her the night that her niece was born at the hospital to arm her with the things that she
wanted to support her sister-in-law through labor. A few months later, I met her sister-in-law,
niece and nephew for a lunch date, and we bounced together along with her family and my family at
her nephew's birthday party. Stephanie was so, so proud of her niece and nephew and wanted me to be
friends with her sister-in-law because she thought we had so much in common and we had kids that were
really close in age. I adored Stephanie and the friendship that we shared. I soon became pregnant
with my second child and Stephanie volunteered to help me postpartum with my two-year-old son,
the same way that she supported her sister-in-law and her nephew, because she told me I helped to
support her and her brother and her brother's family postpartum, and that I also needed that
same help. She was always so gentle, so kind, and always questioned how I was working full-time,
how I was pregnant, and also caring for a two-year-old. She got it, and it meant so much to me.
When Stephanie got sick, I remember discussing doctors with her and offering to go with her
into the city and hold her hand. But Stephanie was not receptive to the idea of seeing a doctor
at that time. Wow. And then what was happening and what were things like after Stephanie got sick?
So this was really hard.
When Stephanie took a turn for the worst, I was getting ready to birth my baby.
I was planning a feedback birth as my first birth was a traumatic emergency birth.
And the stress of what I'm about to explain was impacting my ability to birth my baby.
I was under so much pressure.
And I was having such a hard time shifting into birth mode as I was on constant group messages with then friends, colleagues, medical doctors,
consultants and personally with Stephanie to support her as best I could. The pressure was
never ever from Stephanie. It was coming from several of the plotters, mostly Ashley, who lived
across the country. They were looking at a map and telling me that I live an hour and 20 minutes
from Stephanie. But in reality, with city traffic, this oftentimes could take up to four hours each
way. This is why when Stephanie and I did meet up before she was sick, we were always extremely
strategic about our planning. The city traffic where we live is horrendous and the driving around
here during the city traffic, it's just crazy. So back to my birth, I was literally in the
birthing tub, birthing my baby on text threads with Stephanie and with her supporters, several
of which are now involved in trying to take this community down. When I finally birthed my baby,
I was back on the text threads within minutes, planning how I could best support Stephanie.
This was before my family or my son had even met my new daughter. I was under so much pressure
before I was even cleared to drive by my midwives. I was back on my feet, caring for my newborn,
caring for my two-year-old and driving food and teas and supplements that Stephanie wanted to her
whenever I could. Stephanie herself did not want me doing this, but the plotters continued to push
me. Like I was some type of robot that should birth a baby and then be back to running around.
I also opened up my home to a house guest when I was only a few weeks postpartum, a friend,
Gretchen. She came to my house and stayed with me so that she could support Stephanie.
My husband and I gave up a car.
We ran errands on no sleep.
We also opened our home to illness.
As Gretchen was in and out of the hospital and then back in our home around my newborn,
we all came down with a flu when my baby was just a few weeks old.
My two-year-old was also sick.
It was one of the hardest experiences of my life, being postpartum, having a baby, being
exposed to a flu.
On one trip to pick up Gretchen, again, before I was cleared to drive, I was so tired that I went to pump gas near Stephanie's home.
The gas station was old and the pump was malfunctioning and I was exhausted.
I grabbed the nozzle and I pressed it a few times before it turned on, soaking me in gasoline.
My hair was soaked.
My clothes were soaked.
I was drenched from head to toe. I was sprayed in the eyes and I felt like I couldn't breathe.
I was shaking from the freezing temperatures. My newborn, she was in the backseat,
breathing in all the fumes. I rushed to Stephanie's house with my windows down,
freezing, shaking, and I had to shower and wear someone else's clothes home.
the whole time period, it was totally insane. I had a baby, a baby, a newborn that was just a few
weeks old and a two-year-old son. And I was being pushed by women across the country, mostly Ashley,
to do more and more. I had already been supporting Stephanie in every way that I could. I had given
her money. I had purchased supplements that she wanted and couldn't afford. I was cooking her
meals when I could, bringing her teas when I could. My husband even took food to the hospital
at one point, just days after my daughter was born. He felt extremely uncomfortable in the
hospital as Stephanie wanted to talk to him and welcome the food, but he felt so mixed up in a
situation where some of the plotters were screaming at her family. One of the plotters,
Taylor, was attacking Stephanie's father, having a heated discussion while disagreeing with
Stephanie's father about her treatment. My husband, during those days, was rushing home from work so
that he or I could run things. We could move cars. We could run errands. We could manage house guests,
cook meals, run guests back and forth with a baby and a two-year-old. I wanted to do everything for
Stephanie, but Ashley was creating a pressure on me that almost broke me during that time.
Wow. There's so much to unpack here from this story. And it sounds like such an unbelievably
stressful and traumatic time. Having gasoline sprayed all over your body like that when your
body's already compromised from having just given birth, let alone when you're breastfeeding,
it's a tremendous exposure. I can't even imagine I would have been devastated. And despite having
just given birth, you and your husband were both doing the best that you could to help Stephanie
while she was sick. You weren't cleared to even drive yet, and you did it anyway. The drive wasn't
short. I want to bring in a text that we have from Stephanie. She had sent it to a friend.
This was from before she had gotten sick, and she was talking about some items that she was thinking
about picking up from you, and she says, okay, cool. She isn't super close, so may not get it,
unless it's super important.
This text corroborates, this text from Stephanie,
corroborates the fact that you were far enough away from her
that it would have been a hassle for her to pick up items
from your house if they weren't super important.
You said that your husband brought food to the hospital
and spent time around the family.
You both were actually there,
and you got to witness what was going on in person
when Stephanie was sick.
As Ashley mainly was putting all of this pressure on you to do more and more, I'm wondering where was Ashley and what was Ashley doing during the year and a half that Stephanie was sick?
I have actually been to Ashley's family home in Pebble Beach, California.
But at the time, I didn't know how well off she was.
She was actually in Malibu while Stephanie was sick.
She kept saying she was very far away.
I now wonder why she didn't offer Stephanie more support or come to see her.
She very well had the means to do it.
Instead, Ashley put incredible pressure on me, knowing that I didn't have postpartum support.
I didn't have anyone there helping me, supporting me.
Ashley and Gretchen were both marketing and running retreats during the time of Stephanie's illness and after she passed.
The retreats were out of state and they had to travel to get to them.
Somehow Ashley could travel for the retreats, but she never made it to see Stephanie.
Yeah.
So while Ashley was busy running retreats with Gretchen in Hawaii and trying to make
money off of the medical medium community, she was bossing you around and putting pressure
on you to help even more than you already were.
You and your husband were there with Stephanie and you showed up to help.
But Ashley, on the other hand, we now know that Ashley wasn't physically present for any part of Stephanie's breast lump discovery.
She wasn't around for any part of Stephanie's back injury.
She didn't visit Stephanie in the hospital once.
As we covered earlier on in these podcasts, Ashley, the daughter of a billionaire family with a private jet,
was on a private jet headed to Pennsylvania, where Stephanie was, just a few months before
Stephanie died. And Ashley still didn't visit her. Yeah, I know that Stephanie's family didn't even
like Ashley or any of the plotters at the time. They didn't like the way that she lived. They
didn't like the way that Steph ate, which by the way, wasn't exactly a medical median. She did so
many things. So the family didn't like Ashley. Ashley wasn't around at all. And somehow, for some
reason, Ashley has tried to position herself as an authority on Stephanie. I want to bring us back
to when Ashley posted her original false story online in 2020. Ashley made more than 15 false
claims in one version and more than 20 false claims in another version. Your husband, however,
having firsthand knowledge of what had occurred, corrected Ashley in the comments of one of her
posts. He said, but you're missing the critical part when Anthony at medical medium told her she
needed to see a doctor and have the lump dealt with. Oh, I forgot that doesn't fit your agenda.
Ashley replied to this by saying,
Anthony didn't tell her to see a doctor until she was bleeding from her nipples,
the same point at which he stopped communicating with her.
At this point in the Plotter podcast series, we all know that this is far from the truth.
To this, your husband responded by saying,
I don't know the whole story, nor claim to,
but if you are going to claim the truth needs to be out there,
at least do such a thing in its entirety.
The above is one case in point,
which you just acknowledge you skipped over,
and I'm sure there are others.
Kind of calling the kettle black
when you want to make allegations of people being liars.
Your husband called Ashley out for being inaccurate
and falsely narrating the story the way that it served her agenda.
Even people who didn't know what happened with Stephanie
found Ashley's story to be alarmingly inconsistent with what they know of Anthony and medical medium
information. One person commented and said, doesn't he always say to see a doctor and see what the
diagnosis is and go from there? Another person added, I listened to Anthony's podcasts and have
never heard him suggest not to see a doctor, conventional or otherwise. I find it hard to
believe your claim that Anthony explicitly told her not to see a doctor. After all of the pushback
and being corrected by your husband, Ashley commented this. I tried to add it to my post,
but Instagram won't let me. But if IG will allow me later, I will add it. Initially, Ashley left
out any mention of any doctors being involved. Then here, because of your husband's correction
and the pushback she was getting,
she changed her story and went on from there
to say Anthony told Stephanie to see a doctor,
but not until it was too late,
which is still very far from the truth.
And with all of her blatant false claims,
Ashley caused a lot of damage.
One comment on this post read,
he should have told her to see a doctor
the moment she found the lump and told him.
It should be a lesson for him and any healer.
I've heard similar stories many times with other healers.
I'm just so, so sorry again to hear this.
We hope that this person has now listened to our podcasts to learn the truth,
even though they probably didn't,
because they're probably long gone since being scared by Ashley's false claims.
If they have been listening,
they would have learned that this is exactly, in fact, what Anthony did.
Exactly one day after Stephanie reached out about her breast lump discovery,
Anthony and his wife texted that you should always see a physician.
Even after being corrected by your husband, Ashley continued on with more falsities.
She commented this.
He told her to see a doctor when it was too late for them to do anything.
And when he clearly realized he had screwed up,
it was at this point that he also cut off communication with her.
It doesn't feel very relevant to me that after years of telling her not to see a doctor and that she would be fine, he changed his tune when she was incredibly ill.
There are so many false things in here, it's disturbing.
Not a single sentence is accurate.
As we've covered, Anthony told Stephanie to see a doctor from the very beginning.
He didn't screw up.
Anthony was consistent in his messaging to Stephanie
all throughout the time of her illness
that doctors should be involved.
He never changed his tune.
And Anthony was not the one
who cut off communication with Stephanie.
We'll get to that more in a bit,
but my gosh, Kim, no wonder you had to make a statement.
I mean, can you just describe for us
what was going on in the community
at the time after she did this?
I know that many people had reached out to me, and I know that many people were reaching out to you, too.
What was the impression that they had gotten from Ashley's post?
Ashley compared Stephanie to her own father, who she said did everything his fancy doctors told him to do,
but summarized that none of them actually had any idea what they were doing.
She said her dad did everything the conventional doctors told him to do, and he died.
died. Stephanie also followed conventional treatment, yet Ashley insinuated that Stephanie
followed a protocol designed by Anthony and died. This isn't true. Stephanie received conventional
treatment. As for the community, it was a mess. It became so divided. The fear was unbelievable.
What Ashley did was instill fear in so many people. It was like they started thinking their
spinach salad or their spinach soup was harming them. And they went back to a standard American
diet or went back to eating McDonald's. It's horrifying. And it's all so far from the truth,
all based on complete, completely false claims. I've seen from the data that Stephanie received
conventional cancer treatment for almost a year. And because you, unlike Ashley,
were directly involved with Stephanie's situation. You were there in person. You had the ability to
set the record straight. So you and another practitioner who was also directly involved
sent letters out to each of your private communities. I remember those letters. I
remember the volatile situation that Ashley had created with her disinformation. You and the other
practitioner handled this with a tremendous amount of care, grace, and a lot of respect.
while protecting Stephanie and her private information after Ashley had exploited her to serve her own agenda.
I have your letter in front of me, and here are some of the critical clarifications that you made.
Stephanie was not under Anthony's care for cancer.
Anthony did not provide supplementation or food protocols for her cancer.
All cancer-related medical decisions were being made by Stephanie's family.
and a few close friends, Stephanie received chemotherapy and many other conventional medical
treatments. You also shared in here about how devastating it was for you to have lost a friend
and about how unhappy you knew it would make Stephanie that Anthony was being inaccurately
blamed for such a terrible tragedy. You had every right to send this letter. You had every right to
make those clarifications. And we now know those clarifications to be true as proven by the evidence
that has been presented in these podcast episodes. But Ashley obviously didn't like that. So can you
explain what happened after these letters were sent out? Yeah, Ashley started attacking me on
texts, on audio messages while I was driving in the pouring rain. And then she took the letters
we sent to a very small private community.
These were not public communities.
And she made a retaliation post
posting these letters publicly
and then calling me and the other practitioner liars.
Okay, so let's unpack that.
In the retaliation post Ashley made, she said this.
Some women I know were really upset by my post.
They knew Steph personally,
though I wouldn't call them good friends of hers.
So we've got a false claim right at the beginning. Now, I think that Ashley tried to discount your friendship with Stephanie to make you appear less credible. Ashley also did an Instagram live on April 1st of 2020, in which she took it even further.
um what about the response of other practitioners defending him and putting others down
man that's so hard to talk about um
i mean first of all they called themselves stuff's friends which was really hard because they were not
her friends like they knew her they weren't friends with her um
it's it was amazing to me frankly if i'm being totally honest it was like it was kind of just
shocking and for them to see and walk through that experience um the only thing i keep coming
back to is they didn't know stuff that well so here she went as far as to say publicly
that you and the other practitioner weren't friends with Stephanie at all.
I know that this is false, first of all, because Ashley told me the exact opposite on the phone
several months ago. As a reminder to everyone, I recorded that call and it appeared in our podcast
episodes and previous episodes. And just so everyone also knows and understands,
that recording was completely legal. Ashley has made false claims about that as well.
but here's what Ashley told me in that call.
And I said this to Kimberly then,
and Kimberly's the only person I really lost my temper with
because I felt like she was Steph's friend
and she saw what happened.
Ashley said to me privately on the phone
that you were Stephanie's friend
and that you saw what happened.
Why is this the opposite of what Ashley shared
in her 2020 blog post because it sounds to me like she was trying to deceive the public.
In Ashley's live, she also told this falsity.
They weren't there at the beginning of her journey.
They kind of came in at the very end when Anthony ghosted.
This one is even more ridiculous.
I've seen from all the text records that the other practitioner Ashley is referring to
became friends with and started texting with Stephanie in June of 2016, a year before Stephanie's
health really took a turn. And you met Stephanie at the live event in 2016 and became friends with
her at that point as well. I've seen so much evidence of both of you having been there for her
and offering your support to Stephanie early on in her illness journey. As we've talked about before,
Ashley loves to say that Anthony ghosted Stephanie to get people riled up. It's a tactic.
but it's completely false. Stephanie's family cut off communication between them and told Anthony
in a very aggressive way to stay away. So Ashley made plenty of false claims here.
Yeah. So Stephanie sent me hundreds of voice notes. Many of them were long voice notes.
That's the kind of relationship I had with Steph. I got many times the daily update from her. I knew
what she did from the moment she woke up. She would take me through her morning routine and
how she spent many of her days. Her messages were personal, like really, really personal.
They were family. They were about friendships. She asked for help supporting the ones that she
loved. She always asked for advice. I know the very intimate details of some of the closest
family members to her. She shared it all. She offered to stay in my home when I was postpartum
to care for my son and to care for me the way that she did for her own nephew,
I don't think you share that much and offer so much with someone who is not your friend.
Yeah, it sounds like the two of you were close friends to me.
We also know that Ashley's claims are false because we have audios that Stephanie had sent
to a friend talking about how close she was with you.
Gretchen and Kim
have just become good friends
really sweet women
and really great people
and about trips she had taken with you
tomorrow I'm actually going away
with Kim
Kimberly's fair
we're going to see Gretchen
because she's in Pennsylvania right now
I remember I told you about that
we're just going to go for a couple days
and spend some time with her
and then again in a couple weeks
I'm going to go up again for a few days
We also have a text that Stephanie had sent to a friend about you that reads,
She lives by my brother, which is convenient.
I introduced her to my sis-in-law and fam, and they have become friends as well, so that's been nice.
And we have a long audio from Stephanie talking about how you were there for part of her back injury,
which was months and months before Anthony was told by Stephanie's family to stay away.
hi well i hurt my back in the beginning of june i you know i hadn't been doing yoga for a while
or pilates and i ended up just by fluke coincidence i ended up doing them both in the
same week and by the end of that week my lower back felt kind of weird um weird enough where
literally it was hurting to go on the rebounder so i kind of had to stop that uh and then i went
to the chiropractor and everything was better like a day later but I only waited like a few days to
start exercising again you know I started like light you know I just went on the rebounder for
the first couple days and walked and did pocket gym but then after a few days I was back into yoga
fully and I was like doing yoga every day and Pilates every day or almost every day
um and I'm just feeling so good and I just like wanted to do all these things and it was so stupid
in hindsight i'm like what am i thinking you know we know better than to do that um just too much at
once like that especially since i hadn't been doing it i mean i felt fine doing it i felt i
got right back into it i was doing like intense stuff and it was like great but clearly my body
wasn't right ready there and so i went to the chiropractor again but then it never it got a
little bit better but then i was carrying all these heavy watermelons which were killing me
but like i was hanging out with gretchen and kim and i when i went out there i just brought all
these watermelons, like seeded huge watermelons.
And it just, from there it got worse and worse.
And I was with Gretchen for like almost a week.
And when I came home at the beginning of,
I guess I came home the 4th of July, it got, it was like horrendous.
Like it got really bad, excruciating, like super, super bad,
like crazy spasming and nerves, like shooting pains.
Like, and literally I've been home doing nothing for the whole month of July.
All of that goes to show that you were around and there to see a lot of what happened, including that Stephanie injured her back by doing all of the physical things she just described, which again proves Ashley's original false storyline wrong, in which Ashley had said this on March 7th of 2020 about Stephanie.
In the spring of 2017, her back began to ache. We talked a little bit during her back injury.
She told me Anthony said it was a yoga injury. I really don't remember hurting it in yoga, she said.
Ashley claimed that Stephanie had said she didn't remember hurting her back in yoga.
But we have several audios from Stephanie, like the one we just played,
in which Stephanie explains to various different people
all about how she injured her back doing yoga and Pilates.
So obviously, Stephanie was aware and remembered
because as we covered previously,
Anthony didn't tell Stephanie that her back problems
were due to a yoga injury.
Stephanie told people that she had injured her back
doing yoga and Pilates.
And then she was doing things like carrying heavy watermelons
with an already injured back that you witnessed,
which made things worse. So now I just want to bring it back to Ashley's retaliation post once
more. Again, she had said this. Some women I know were really upset by my post. They knew Steph
personally, though I wouldn't call them good friends of hers. And Ashley's April 1st, 2020
Live, in which she said this.
Um, I mean, first of all, they called themselves Steph's friends, which was really hard because
they were not her friends.
Like they knew her.
They weren't friends with her.
We've shown that you, Kim, were indeed a good friend of Stephanie's.
We also have text and audio messages showing that the other practitioner Ashley was referring
to was also in fact a good friend of stephanie's on june 29th of 2016 stephanie texted the
practitioner you're so sweet i love you dear friend in a text from november 11th of 2016
stephanie says to her i love you dearly in a text from december 29th of 2016 stephanie said to her
Hey, sweet friend.
In a text from July 8th of 2016, Stephanie said to her,
it's also validating when sharing with a trusted friend.
And we have audios from Stephanie discussing how much this practitioner had helped Stephanie,
Stephanie's sister-in-law, and Stephanie's brother,
who is now a plotter trying to take down the medical medium community,
during an extremely troubling time for them.
Tony and Megan, my brother's Tony, and his wife Megan.
They wanted me to be there for the birth.
I'm here supporting them.
It's just been kind of intense.
There was a lot of stuff that was going on.
The hospital, thank God, Manisa was with us the entire time,
like, you know, over the phone.
And she was always so supportive and there for me the whole time
and anything we needed and supporting Tony and Megan.
There are hundreds and hundreds of text messages that I've read going back and forth between
Stephanie and this practitioner, mostly of Stephanie asking the practitioner for advice.
The practitioner also helped Stephanie's family in a very significant way during a very dark time
for them. Stephanie regularly expressed tremendous gratitude for the positive impact this practitioner
had in her life and in her family's lives.
We've got all this evidence of Stephanie calling this practitioner a dear friend, referring
to you, Kim, specifically as a good friend, and talking about all the time that you had
spent together, including during the time of Stephanie's back injury.
Clearly, this practitioner and you were both very important people in Stephanie's life,
and Ashley told another big falsity to the public.
I was even invited to Stephanie's celebration of life.
I was around when Stephanie injured her back.
I remember her jumping on that trampoline with her injury.
I supported Stephanie and met up with her at the hospital the night that her niece was born.
It's a strange thing to have to qualify a friendship.
But what Ashley said was so hurtful because Stephanie was someone that I really cared about.
Yeah.
I'm sure it was really hurtful and it's a very, it's a very, um, it's a low blow. It was very low
for her to go there. And so following the false friendship claims, Ashley's retaliation post
continued on to say this. These two women sent out letters about my post to their entire communities.
They essentially made it seem like I was lying. This was a really impactful experience for me
because something I've never realized before
is just how much you can use facts
and distort them to create what's actually a lie.
And there's nothing I hate more than lying.
So Ashley is saying that what you shared was factual,
but she's still calling you a liar.
And the irony of all is that she's calling you a liar
in a post that she, Ashley herself,
told more than 15 false claims in one version of,
and more than 20 in another version of.
Kim, how frustrating was it for you to watch Ashley do this publicly?
It has been so heartbreaking.
It's been extremely traumatizing for me, for my family.
The amount of stress that Ashley has created with her false stories is just unbelievable.
Yeah.
And sadly, she didn't stop there. Ashley tried calling you while you were driving in the pouring
rain. And because you didn't answer, Ashley sent you a barrage of text messages. And I want to walk
us through that conversation. In the very first text, Ashley tries to rewrite history by retelling
her false version of what had happened with Stephanie. She tried to sell this narrative to
you, Kim, when you were actually there for Stephanie and witnessing things that had happened
firsthand in person and Ashley was not. The text says this. Hey girl, I just can't not say something
to you. Steph was personally guided by Anthony for years. She did every single thing he ever told her
to do. She laid on her back for months while her spine literally crumbled because he told her she
had a yoga injury that later he ended up saying was shingles. And then when she started bleeding
from her nipples after telling her she would never have cancer, his response to cut her off completely
and never speak to her again. Up to days before Steph died, she was texting Anthony begging him
just to talk to her. For you to write that letter and knowingly mislead people about their
relationship is so absolutely disgusting to me and just frankly unimaginable.
This text has six false things in it. Six critical things that are completely wrong.
And it seems as though Ashley thinks that she just repeats them enough, she'll be able to get
everyone to just go along with it. I'm going to walk us through the false claims. One, Stephanie
did not do everything Anthony ever told her to do. Anthony's consistent message from the beginning
was that Stephanie should see a doctor for her breast lump. And Stephanie made the decision to
wait too long to follow that advice. Two, Stephanie did not lay on her back for months because Anthony
told her she had an injury. Three, Stephanie got stuck laying on her back because Stephanie said
herself she had injured her back doing yoga and Pilates. And it was made worse by Stephanie
carrying heavy watermelons and jumping on the trampoline, which you were actually around to see.
Stephanie got stuck laying on her back because her doctor diagnosed her with a disc injury.
and because she was on a small old childhood mattress
on the floor that was terrible for her back
and made it too difficult for her to get up.
Four, Stephanie did not bleed from both nipples.
She only bled from one.
And five, Anthony never ever told Stephanie
that she would never have cancer.
And six, Anthony did not cut Stephanie off.
Stephanie's family told Anthony to stay away.
Stephanie did not text Anthony, begging him to talk to her.
Ashley was so wrong about all of it from the beginning,
and yet she continued to berate you, Kim,
for the factual letter you had sent out to your small private community.
Further text messages in this thread from Ashley to you said this.
She found a lump in her breast three years before she died,
and he told her it would never be cancerous.
Does that bother you at all?
Does it like, hello?
Is this heading home?
I get that you weren't there when that happened, but I was.
Does that, I mean, come on.
That series of texts from Ashley is not only incredibly condescending,
but also has three more false things in it.
The first one, Stephanie did not discover her breast lump
when she was living with Ashley in 2016.
Stephanie, in fact, discovered the lump a year later
when Ashley was not around.
The second false thing, Anthony never told Stephanie
that the lump would never become cancerous.
He repeatedly encouraged her
to get it looked at by a physician.
And here Ashley's putting you down
by claiming that she was around when you were not,
which is the exact opposite of the truth.
That's the third falsehood.
Our data shows that Ashley wasn't around for any single part of Stephanie's experience with her breast lump, her back injury, her cancer, or her passing.
And yet you were physically there helping Stephanie as much as you could after just having a baby during Stephanie's illness.
You responded to Ashley by saying, in all caps, I'm driving in the pouring rain.
Which sounds to me like you were begging her to stop attacking you.
And then Ashley replied to you by saying this.
I'm not there to see it, so maybe it's not actually happening.
Later, Kim.
And then she sends three eye roll emojis.
What Ashley is, again, condescendingly implying to you is that you don't believe in Ashley's story,
which we know is false, she's saying it's because you weren't there to see it, and that's why you
don't believe her. Ashley is saying that Ashley was there to see it, and you weren't, but in reality,
it's the exact opposite. The real truth is that you were there, and Ashley wasn't. The truth,
you were there, Ashley wasn't. If Ashley wants to play the comparison game and use physical
proximity as a measure of someone's authority to speak on Stephanie, then in reality, based on facts,
Ashley loses at her own game. However, Ashley ends up going on to say this to you. I know that you can
see what you did. I know it. I don't know how you can live with it, but I know you can see it.
And I hope it haunts you. Bye, Kim.
And then you replied by saying, no, Ash, we all tried to help with all we had when it was going on.
I know you don't realize that, but it's the truth.
I was barely paying my own bills and was buying her supplements at one point and doing everything I could with a brand new baby.
Nobody saw that. Make me a monster, though.
And then Ashley sent you some voice messages that we're going to play now.
Kim, I don't think that you're a monster.
I think that what you did in your letter is you isolated facts and you painted an untrue
picture of what happened.
It's just not true.
For you to use the facts that you do have and manipulate them in such a way, I just,
I mean, come on.
And honestly, I don't even care about all the people that it impacted because they will
have their chance to hear the truth.
I can't even call it lying because of the way that you used facts, but you used them
so articulately to distort the truth that it ended up being a lie.
And I hate that.
I can't stand liars.
Wow.
Wow.
Unreal.
Wow.
Wow. First of all, I want to, I'm sorry. It still gives me goosebumps hearing that. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can imagine it's she, first of all, I want to point out that Ashley said here
that she doesn't care about all the people who her posts impacted because she's saying that they
will have their chance to hear the truth. In fact, the people Ashley impacted with her false 2020
posts didn't get a chance to hear the truth before these podcasts. If they're even still around and
listening, Ashley has impacted many people and hurt many people with her disinformation.
Secondly, Ashley's being incredibly manipulative in these messages. She's twisted everything around
so much it's actually scary. She's attacking you relentlessly while you're driving in the pouring
rain. Her information is all wrong. She wasn't actually there and you were, yet she's putting
you down, demeaning you, and admitting that you used facts so she can't actually call it lying,
but at the same time, she's calling you a liar with all those falsities in her text at the same time.
how did it feel to have a grown woman act like this and treat you like this?
Honestly, Amber, I have PTSD from what Ashley did to me that night. I was driving to my sister-in-law's
wedding festivities. I was alone. It was dark. It was pouring down rain. Ashley would not stop.
She wouldn't stop. I had to call my husband on the phone because I was shaking. At the time,
I was doing my best to protect Stephanie's privacy and to not let her be exploited by Ashley. It's
really sad that Ashley has taken it this far. I've now been attacked personally, professionally.
My family has been attacked. Ashley is actually the most intimidating person I've ever met.
Yeah. I'm so sorry, Kim, that you've had to go through all that. And it's really not okay
that she attacked you like this.
And it's really brave of you to come on here
and talk about it
because I'm sure that everything we're discussing,
you know, brings up a lot of emotion.
And what's even worse
is that Ashley didn't stop there.
That exchange that we just went through
was in 2020.
Now, three years later,
several months ago,
after I caught Ashley and the other plotters
for what they were trying to do to Anthony and the medical medium community, and we exposed
them in our podcast episodes, Ashley went on a rampage on social media. Rather than addressing
any of her false claims, we had corrected her on with evidence. She pivoted onto other points of
focus. She began bullying and making fun of Anthony. She made fun of the light blast and
the collecting stones meditation. She made fun of the medical medium community, many of its members.
one of her targets was you and shockingly your kids.
On August 17th, Ashley posted this.
This is not enough fuel for a child to thrive.
If you watch closely, you will see that the children of influencers
who promote extremely restricted diets are often incredibly small,
just like Kim's kids.
In this, she tagged you along with a screenshot of a photo of your three kids' plates that you had posted that you'd captioned beach snacks.
The plates all have a lot of avocado, a bunch of cucumber sticks, a bunch of strawberries, and a pile of cooked cassava flour tortilla chips.
Ashley continues on in the next story post.
Switching back to the prior convo for a second,
many of you are sharing more accounts of raw vegan children and it's really sad.
A few of you have made the point that some kids are just small.
And that's true.
Some kids are just small.
But all of our vegan kids are noticeably small in a significant way.
I've never seen a single example otherwise.
but would welcome being challenged on that point.
And then, just a little bit later,
after Ashley must have gotten some serious pushback on this,
she deleted the first story and then posted this one.
I did remove that repost of the lunch trays, though,
because it didn't sit right with me.
I don't want to tear down moms on here.
However, I still think it is sad and abusive to raise your kids on a severely restricted diet.
How about y'all?
When I first read this, I was sick to my stomach.
This is truly despicable behavior from Ashley.
And I would ask any mom out there, how would you feel if somebody did this to you and your kids?
Everyone is entitled, of course, to their own dietary belief system.
but it is unacceptable to shame and attack moms publicly for how you think they feed their kids
like this. Next, I have to walk us through and point out the falsehoods and inconsistencies here
because it's insane. Ashley attacked you, Kim, for supposedly malnourishing your children,
referring to a photo of your kids' plates as lunch trays, when in the exact screenshot Ashley used
from you, you literally captioned it, beach snacks. And she has that in the photo that she reposted.
How much sense does it make to judge what somebody feeds their kids as a snack, as if it were a meal,
first of all, and then the snack plates in the photo have plenty of food on them.
There are piles of cooked cassava flour chips with guacamole. There are plenty of strawberries
and cucumber sticks, as I said, they were beach snacks.
They weren't intended to be a Thanksgiving dinner.
They were snacks.
Once again, Ashley got it wrong.
All of your posts online show your fridge being loaded
with huge amounts of food
and your kids eating plenty of food with tons of variety.
Your kids are obviously far from restricted
and it's clear that Ashley was just trying to hurt you.
And I'm sorry.
Thank you.
Yeah, she definitely got me with that one.
It first made me really mad.
I cried a lot.
And then I actually started to laugh because it's just so insane.
We were traveling.
When I posted those trays, it was my husband's 40th birthday.
Those trays don't belong to me, but I can tell you they were giant man-sized trays.
My baby was one at the time.
My daughter in preschool and my son is eight.
They're little, young children. You are correct, Amber. These were snacks to take to the beach.
As for the insults about my kids, I was so sick years ago before a medical medium,
and these kids were raised with the principles that healed my body. None of them have ever had
a cavity. They rarely catch colds and flus, and when they get something, they bounce right back.
I attribute that to the way that we live. And I would never call that restrictive.
Illness is restrictive. Wellness is freedom. And I know so many of you would agree with that.
Yes. Yes. Really well said. And I also want to point out how Ashley conflates medical
medium information with raw veganism yet again. I know that your kids are not raw vegan.
Yeah, Amber, my kids are not raw vegan. They never have been. I have no idea why Ashley would put me in that category. There's nothing wrong with raw vegans, but my kids are not and they never have been.
My son has consumed cooked soup that Ashley herself made while I was staying with her.
That was when we went to visit her family's home in Pebble Beach.
My son was also one of the first ones to trial her cooked bread recipe and some of the cooked
potato recipe in Ashley's e-books that I always supported.
One scroll back will let all of you see that my kids eat loads of produce.
Yes, they do.
And they enjoy it.
but they also consumed cooked foods and they eat plenty of treats.
They're kids, you guys.
Once again, Ashley got it wrong.
Yeah.
Once again.
Very wrong.
So upsetting.
I'm sure.
I'm sure it's so upsetting.
I can't imagine having my kids attacked like that.
So Ashley has actually seen your kids eat cooked food.
that she made herself and she still called them raw vegan. It's, it's mind blowing. Correct. And
correct. What's, what's so insane. And what also speaks to how carelessly Ashley just hurdles out
attacks with paying such little attention to facts and details is that in the exact screenshot
Ashley took from you and displayed in her post, it clearly shows cooked chips on all of your kids
plates. You even tagged the brand of the cooked chips you gave your kids as a snack with guacamole.
Anybody could figure out that they are cooked chips. And obviously, if you're feeding your
kids cooked chips, they're not raw vegan. And what Ashley's saying doesn't make any sense.
Ashley got all of these things so wrong. Anybody who's viewing these stories can catch the
inconsistencies for themselves, but this is how Ashley is. Sloppy Ashley never has the details
right, makes mistakes constantly, and leaves a trail of falsities everywhere. And then,
in this series of attacks on your kids, Ashley had the audacity to call your children small.
Kim, your kids are objectively some of the healthiest and strongest looking kids that I've
ever seen. It's ridiculous. Thank you. I'm super blessed in that department. And if you followed
along with my journey, you've likely seen the pictures of my son that I've shared over the past
year. I'm pretty proud of him. He's a head taller than most of the kids in this grade. He's 90th
percentile for height. He's a travel and all-star baseball player. In fact, he was on three baseball
teams this year. He's strong. He's fast. He's unbelievable. And I know that sounds ridiculous
because he's my son, but I have every right to be proud after I went through what I went through
with his birth and postpartum with him and just being so unwell years ago before finding Anthony.
He's not small at all. It's quite the opposite. My middle daughter, and there's been a lot of
commenting about her in the community because I've shared her too. She's a gymnast. She's an
all-star cheerleader who has literally abs of steel. If you've seen videos of her, you've likely
seen, a lot of you have commented, she's literally jacked. The girl has muscles that I didn't have
when I was training during some of the most intense training periods of my life. She's muscle.
And my baby, who is now two, is literally a tub. She's got a couple of chin rolls.
Um, so while this does make me angry and, you know, she did attack my children.
I really think that one simple photo tells it all.
It's time for me to speak out because actually Ashley is a bully.
She bullied my children.
Who does that?
Really?
Who does that?
These are lies.
She has no business commenting on my children.
She has no idea how big or small they are.
She has no idea what they eat.
I'm still laughing at the accusations from the chips and guacamole plate.
That was my husband's 40th birthday.
It was a party at the beach.
This is just one example of how my life has been disrupted for years now because of Ashley.
Her social media posts ruined that trip for me and my husband's 40th birthday because
they changed my mood completely.
They were hurtful and they brought a tremendous amount of stress by publicly attacking me and my kids.
Yeah, it's terrible.
And Ashley never should have stooped that low.
She never should have done that.
Then after Ashley clearly must have gotten called out,
Ashley said she removed that post because she doesn't want to tear down moms on here.
but she still left another story post up
in which she attacked a different mom and her kid for their diet.
It's obvious that the whole point of these posts
was to put down moms for how Ashley thinks they feed their kids
in the way that their kids look.
And like you said, Kim, who does that?
Ashley literally used the word abuse
and applied that you are abusing your kids
by what you're feeding them
when she wasn't even accurate with any of her claims.
there's nothing more egregious.
Ashley just didn't get away with it.
And after receiving pushback,
that's when she deleted some of it.
Your kids are not even raw vegan.
Some of it.
Yeah, she deleted only some of it
and left other parts up.
Yeah.
Your kids are not even raw vegan.
Medical medium information
is not the same thing as raw veganism.
Her posts don't make logical sense.
Ashley's raw vegan attacks
are also especially baffling to me,
considering the fact that many of her own best friends
and co-plotters are actually raw vegans.
I wonder how Ashley's raw vegan co-plotters
and best friends feel now
about how they have supported Ashley
in getting to where she is,
now that she uses her platform
to viciously criticize the diet that they follow
and promote in their businesses.
Going as far as to call moms
who feed their kids raw vegan food
abusive. Plus, what Ashley said in this rampage is wildly contradictive to what Ashley has said
herself in the past. In an Instagram story post that Ashley made at the end of 2019 to sell her
own ebook, she said this, you deserve to nourish your body in whatever way you choose without fear
of condemnation. You deserve unquestioned authority over what your children are fed.
Unreal.
Wild contradiction.
This is another prime example of sloppy Ashley.
It's a prime example of someone who is always changing
to fit a narrative that suits her agenda of the moment.
Kim, this was absolutely reprehensible of Ashley to do to you and your family.
And I'm so sorry that you were the target of this attack
and that your kids were the target of this attack?
It's been a lot.
It's impacted my husband in a big way too.
It's been completely unnecessary stress.
And from mother to mother,
all I think about every time she puts these posts out there
is that this is time and energy away from our kids
and away from our families.
We're not getting this time back.
Like I said, so many trips, so many family events,
so many holidays, so many birthdays have been ruined for me because of unnecessary abuse from Ashley.
Kim, I can't imagine being a mom and then being publicly shamed for feeding your kids healthy snacks
and being shamed in a way that confuses people into thinking that you must be some kind of terrible mom
that's abusively starving your kids. It's unconscionable.
sadly Ashley has so many things wrong another exhibit on how Ashley makes mistakes it makes
sense as to how Ashley got everything wrong to begin with with the Stephanie story when you look
at how many things how many details and how many claims are twisted discombobulated and just
straight out factually incorrect. Exactly. Exactly. And now, Kim, I want to just bring us
back to 2020 for a moment. I know that Ashley was attacking you in a similar way in the comments of
her retaliation post back then and implying that you hadn't done enough for Stephanie when she was
Your husband defended you in a comment in which he said this to Ashley,
postpartum mothers are supposed to be resting.
She wasn't resting as she was making food and other stuff to send to Steph
on top of driving it to her before she was cleared to actually drive.
All of this led to the health issues you mentioned of an enlarged uterus from not resting
and taking care of herself.
Clearly wasn't enough for you, I guess.
And for the record, I was the one that held her back
and didn't want her to do even more than she already did
and kept her out of the hospital,
which is no place for a new mother if it can be avoided.
So I guess I'm the bad guy here
for trying to protect Kimberly.
All of this was playing out online at the same time
as Ashley was attacking you
in the written and audio texts we went through previously.
And then there was an email you'd sent to someone who was your friend at the time.
The next morning, I have that email in front of me and it says,
Thank you for the email.
Last night, Ashley started sending me terrible text messages, voice messages, and then that post.
I'm not sure what prompted all of it.
Honestly, I didn't even read it as I was at a family event honoring my soon-to-be sister-in-law.
My poor husband was defending our side of the story as she put my personal information right in that post
And failed to mention that I had a baby who was just weeks old
As we were still running around and trying to do what we could on no sleep
Our lives are very different and I don't think ash can understand a family that has to work for a living and care for their children
Without help and servants. I'm not being condescending but realistic the statements she made about me were appalling
I was driving things to Steph before I was even cleared to drive a car after birth.
These girls put that pressure on me.
My husband was so upset that he took on as much as he could.
I'm really, really hurt by the twists and lies.
It's a different lifestyle, and she can't wrap her head around a mother working and
caring for two children without a nanny, or understand that husbands leave and go to work.
All of this on no sleep with a newborn and a two-year-old.
But somehow I didn't do enough for her.
I had Gretchen staying at my home during such a sacred time of having a newborn,
not to mention my fear of her being in and out of the hospital and around my tiny new baby.
I don't know what the answer is here, but she is pointing a lot of fingers
and there is no truth to so much of what she's saying.
I feel awful, harsh, and heavy energy from her.
She has an agenda to spread fear and make herself look like a hero.
I wish she would spread Steph's life and her love and her beautiful spirit.
This is just upsetting.
Anyway, I'm pretty exhausted from all of this.
I hope you are resting today as I can barely move from all the stress last night.
Kimberly.
Can you share more with us, Kim, about why it was that Ashley and Gretchen were putting
so much pressure on you to help Stephanie more and more?
When you just had a baby, there was so much going on and it was up to a
four-hour drive one way for you? Why did Stephanie need so much help with food?
Poor Stephanie wouldn't eat the hospital food. She was relying on friends to bring her food.
When she couldn't get enough help from friends or family, she just wouldn't eat. Looking back,
I asked myself, why wouldn't an extremely wealthy friend send food, a chef, support, something?
Instead, I was pushed to the max.
I opened up my home postpartum to Gretchen, who came to care for Steph.
Gretchen was also met at the airport with a hot tea and a home-cooked meal that my husband and I prepared for her.
I wanted to support the situation as best I could at the time, but nothing.
I'm telling you, nothing that I did was good enough.
Nothing.
I don't get that time back with my newborn.
I don't get to do it again.
I don't get to hold her again as a newborn.
and I don't get to be there again with my two-year-old son.
I went through all of this and that time is just, it's gone.
It's passed.
And now I live with Ash trashing me whenever she chooses.
And continuing to disrupt your family time.
And it just seems really odd to me that you were the object of blame here.
And especially when you and your husband did as much as you could for Stephanie
after just having a baby and not living that close to her,
it seems like over and over again
throughout the whole Stephanie situation,
the plotters, Ashley, Robbie, Taylor, Christina,
Megan, Tony, Gretchen,
have tried to place blame on people
who were actually trying to help.
Yeah, many of Stephanie's friends
were just doing the best they could to help her
when it was possible, and that was all acceptable.
They were happy if someone donated some time
or some energy or some food or whatever it was.
But somehow I was definitely a target in the whole thing.
I was being pushed to do more and more and more.
And whatever I did, it was not good enough.
I did what I could in the situation I was in with a brand new baby.
Somehow the two-year-old little boy and the several week old little girl that I had in
my arms while my husband was away at work was completely overlooked.
They just kept looking at me like I was some kind of robot that was supposed to go and
do and do more and more. It was horrible. Wow. Yeah. Wow. And in reality, I mean,
you were trying so hard to help Stephanie in an impossible situation on no sleep that you
actually had gasoline sprayed all over you to the point that your hair was drenched.
And Ashley, who was putting all this pressure on you, was nowhere to be found.
and an exposure like that of getting straight gasoline sprayed all over your head on your hair
all over your body it's treacherous that much gasoline all on your body soaked on you like that
gets absorbed into your breast milk you just had a baby and then your immune system is already
compromised because you had a baby and then you yourself kim were sick years ago this is a major
exposure, which could trigger your system. And then if you were sitting in your car right after
you just had gasoline dumped all over you, if you had accidentally hit the car lighter with your
elbow or your hand or your phone, just by putting your phone down, you could have gone up in flames.
All it would take is just one spark from an electrical wire, from just the ignition of the
car starting and you would have burned up and died along with your baby in the car all because
you're helping out a friend Stephanie while Ashley was sitting in Malibu in her multi-million
dollar house and then spreading rumors and false claims about how you and Stephanie weren't even
friends yeah not friends it actually haunts me Anthony the whole situation haunts me it was
traumatic like truly traumatic for me and to have to live with the constant social media insults
threats and stress it just brings it all up over and over and over again every single time i see
her starting posting it's like the antics start and i just it all comes up over and over again for
me i'm so sorry kim thanks amber and yeah you you also and yeah
you also ended up unfortunately with an enlarged uterus because you were standing up constantly
making food driving long distances before you were cleared to and bringing food to stephanie
instead of resting postpartum.
And at the same time, Ashley was nowhere to be found.
While you were going so far out of your way to help Stephanie
that you risked your own life and your baby's life
and sacrificed your body, literally, to help,
you did all of this because Stephanie was a close friend of yours
and Ashley was nowhere to be found.
yet Ashley has the nerve and entitlement to imply that you weren't doing enough for Steph
and that you weren't even a friend of hers at all.
Yeah, Ashley always communicated as a very entitled manipulative woman. I just didn't know
to what extent back then that she was entitled. When we all flew out to Pebble Beach to stay in
family's home, Stephanie actually didn't have the money to go. And it was a really touchy subject.
But meanwhile, Ashley, the daughter of a billionaire family, didn't offer support to her
then. I look back at those emails wondering why did Ashley not just buy her a ticket if they were
such good friends? Yeah, it's a really great question. And I looked through those emails.
there are a few I want to read off for everyone. The first one was from Stephanie to everyone on
the email thread that Ashley had invited to a weekend getaway. It was sent on January 11th of
2017, just a few months before Stephanie discovered her breast lump. And it says,
Hey, I'm still in the unknown territory if I can come or not. Financially at the moment,
not best. However, things could turn around and make it possible very quickly. Flight prices are
low, so that's a plus. So I may have to wait as it gets closer to make a move. Is that okay?
This question was directed to Ashley, and Stephanie said that flight prices are low,
but still too much for her to afford at the moment. Then on January 22nd of 2017,
Ashley sends an email to everyone in the group with a status update and some background information
about each person for her friends who hadn't met each other before.
Ashley's update to everyone about Stephanie says this.
Stephanie, possible.
Steph is trying to make it work financially.
I so want her to be there.
Steph is a wealth of information and a bright, positive, shining light in any group she's part of.
For dinner, she likes to eat heads of romaine lettuce dipped in cayenne pepper and lemon.
If that's not next level, I don't know what is.
I was shocked by this email because here, Ashley is actually praising Stephanie for eating only lettuce with cayenne and lemon for dinner.
As we've covered a lot, obviously, a head of lettuce as a meal, let alone for dinner, is not enough.
It is not medical medium information.
This is something Anthony absolutely advises against.
It was Stephanie's pre-existing approach to food that here we see Ashley praising and calling next level.
Like restricting yourself is something that everyone should aspire to do.
and Ashley said in this email that she so wants Stephanie to be there.
Stephanie had said herself that flight prices were low at the time.
In 2017, flight prices were quite a bit cheaper than they are today.
I'm sure that she could have gotten a flight from Philly to LA
where Ashley suggested everyone to fly into from a budget airline for $99 to $150.
dollars. Ashley is the daughter of a billionaire family and has a trust fund. As you said, if
Ashley was truly such great friends with Stephanie and really wanted Stephanie there,
why wouldn't Ashley have just gotten her the plane ticket?
Yeah, looking back, I really do not understand it, especially with all the finger pointing Ashley
has done. Ashley let her miss out because Stephanie couldn't afford it. And then Ashley
even asked everyone in the group who was coming to her family's multi-million dollar home
for a weekend for a cleaning fee. I saw that in the email thread.
Unbelievable. A cleaning fee. So after the Pebble Beach thing, just a few months later,
Stephanie discovers her breast lump in March, and then she injures her back, and then she gets sick.
During the time that Stephanie was ill, how would you describe Ashley's relationship with Stephanie's family?
Do you know if they interacted? Were they close? What was that like?
Ashley actually talked negatively about Stephanie's family.
There was this constant thing where the family wanted Stephanie to receive conventional cancer care,
and the plotters were not in agreement with the family's wishes.
Stephanie's personal wishes were pushed completely to the side.
At the time, the plotters and the family were not on the same page at all. So it's so unbelievably
strange to me that now they've come together to blame and attack Anthony, who wasn't even
involved in Stephanie's cancer care because the family cut off communication with him.
It was a lot for me birthing a baby and trying to simultaneously support a friend who was not well
and listening to Stephanie stress, literally stress about her support people closest to her
not getting along. I was dealing with the text threads with the plotters that were trashing
and fighting with her family. It was horrendous. Seeing those same plotters who were disagreeing
with and arguing with Stephanie's family now representing and advocating for them or with
them is very confusing to me. My own data clearly shows that there was a major issue between the
Plotters and Stephanie's family. My husband witnessed this in person when he went into the
hospital to visit Stephanie. The Plotters and the family were not on the same page.
That's extremely interesting and is something that's very, it's very confusing to think about
that as well and how things somehow changed and flipped in that way. And then what happened when
your husband went to the hospital to visit and bring food to Stephanie? What did he see?
So my husband observed an argument between Taylor, Stephanie, and Stephanie's family.
Stephanie didn't want the treatment at the hospital that was being offered at that moment.
She was crying. It's heartbreaking. Taylor was on her team and she was fighting with the family.
Stephanie wanted to go to Mexico for an alternative treatment, but her family didn't agree to this.
My husband just wanted to have a genuine conversation with Stephanie the way that he had so many times in the past,
but it was uncomfortable and impossible because of this conflict that was going on while he was there.
Instead, he tried to be helpful and find creative ways to keep the food cold and be sure that juices were kept fresh for her.
But the family, they always hated the way that she ate.
Dating back years before Stephanie even knew Anthony, the family did not like the way that she ate.
The family made my husband feel like he was a villain for bringing food to Stephanie.
Wow.
Wow. So there was this massive ongoing battle between the plotters and the family,
completely independent of Anthony. And just to bring this all together for everyone,
all Anthony ever did in this whole situation, as we've shown, was encourage Stephanie to see a
doctor, offer emotional support, and try to get her up off the floor she got stuck on due to her
injury so that she could get in for proper medical care. Anthony was not Stephanie's health
practitioner. Anthony is not an oncologist. In order to get diagnosed with cancer, you need to
see a board certified oncologist. From the moment Stephanie discovered her breast lump, she was
repeatedly told by Anthony to see a physician. If Stephanie had listened to Anthony's advice to see
a doctor from the beginning, outcomes probably would have been entirely different. And we probably
wouldn't need to be sitting here today to talk about this. And you, Kim, you even talked with
Stephanie early on about doctors that she could see in the area that were near her. And you said
earlier on that Stephanie wasn't receptive to that at the time. And so then Stephanie's battle
with cancer ended up going on for about a year after Anthony was told aggressively to stay away.
During that time, again, independent of Anthony, the plotters were fighting for Stephanie to get
some kind of alternative treatment for her cancer, while the family, on the other hand,
wanted her to do conventional treatment. While Stephanie was sick, the plotters and the family
were at odds warring with each other. And then when did things change? When did you see the
plotter start coming around and coming together with the family to try to blame Anthony?
I honestly didn't see things change until years after Stephanie passed away.
Months after Stephanie passed away, I was invited to her celebration of life.
The plotters were offering retreats. Yeah. They were offering retreats to the medical medium
community. And then all of a sudden, the plotters changed their tune. It was literally overnight.
And to me, that seems so clear that an agenda was born.
Yeah, it's pretty crazy. And then I want to bring it back to when Stephanie was ill. When you went
to go bring Stephanie food at the time that she was living in her family's home, what was that
experience like for you? I went to Stephanie's family's home to pick Gretchen up, who was going
to stay in my home. Gretchen was using my husband's car, but on that day he had to travel for work,
so I drove to pick her up. I was drenched in gasoline by the time that I got there and needed
to take a shower and rinse off as quickly as possible. I showered in one of Stephanie's
family's bathrooms. It was a really scary time for me. I had my newborn baby and I brought her
in her little car seat because Stephanie wanted to meet her. She actually wasn't able to hold the
baby due to the drugs that she was on. I dropped off some food for her and was just in shock from
all that happened with the gasoline and all that was happening around me in that moment.
It was around the same time when I was told by Gretchen that she had observed Stephanie with
dust bunnies on her head and face and that Gretchen had to dust her off when she arrived in her home.
My heart was broken. And honestly, it still is Amber.
That is horrifying. And the fact that it was Gretchen, who is now a plotter, who saw the dust situation is especially interesting.
Yeah, it was horrible. All of it. The whole situation was horrible. It was so hard to see. It was hard to hear. It was hard to experience.
and all at the same time with everything that I had going on, I felt so terrible for Stephanie
and I couldn't understand why and everything that she was going through that she would be covered in dust.
Yeah. Yeah. That's something that's really hard for me to wrap my head around as well.
And so then at some point when Stephanie was sick, Taylor, who's now also a plotter, stepped in.
Could you explain what your experience was like with her and what role Taylor played?
So Taylor was one of the ones arguing at the hospital.
She basically took over, but she also was not fond of the family and they were not fond of her.
Taylor was in charge, though, or at least she thought she was in charge of the whole situation.
She was so manipulative and so bossy on the text messages and on the phone.
I had never even met her in person, like have never met this woman ever. Yet she was calling
me out and saying I needed to do more, even though I had a newborn. And I remember thinking
that she was really insensitive and mean. And I didn't, and she just didn't realize I'm like,
does this woman realize I have a newborn right now? She, she just didn't understand.
Yeah. That, that description, especially the bossiness matches a lot of the experiences that
I had with Taylor several months ago in person. So Stephanie was in a vulnerable position.
Her back injury prevented her from being able to do much herself. She was having a hard time
getting the food that she needed. You said earlier that she wasn't really making her own decisions.
Taylor, who was acting as her caretaker and Stephanie's family were making a lot of decisions
for her. You were being supportive and trying to help out as best as you could. Did you and
Stephanie stay in touch throughout the course of her illness or how did that go?
So for a long time, we were in daily communication personally, and also in group chats with various
different plotters that were discussing Stephanie's situation. All of a sudden out of the blue,
Stephanie stopped responding to me. I was told by Gretchen that her brother took her phone away
and I never heard from her again. I was also removed from the group chats. It was very,
very weird because Stephanie normally would text a lot and send a lot of audio messages
and all of that. I was again, newly postpartum. So swallowing this was all really hard and I was
just trying to survive and feeling completely heartbroken at the same time.
Wow. So you were told by Gretchen that Stephanie's brother took Stephanie's phone away.
Wow. And we actually have text messages and audio recordings corroborating what you just said that
we'll be sharing in another episode. It's really sad that you had the same experience as other
friends of Stephanie's who were either cut off without explanation or were told that they were
not allowed to speak with her. And then I'm also curious about your experience with Stephanie
before she got sick. What were Stephanie's eating habits like before she got sick?
So actually shocking to me as someone that eats a very clean diet, which has reversed my own
symptoms years ago, I was actually shocked when I met Stephanie for lunch or at a juice bar,
she wouldn't eat. It was very rare that she would eat something. She mostly wouldn't eat at all,
not even at a completely organic juice bar. One time I actually had a car full of fresh organic
produce, like wholesale produce, fresh, and she wouldn't touch any of the fruit and she would eat
only the lettuce. And I just always felt like she was starving and it just, it just broke my heart.
Yeah. So you experienced Stephanie having some preexisting problems with food.
just eating lettuce is definitely not medical medium information and it's really sad frankly
yeah and yeah this goes along with so much evidence that we have of what stephanie was
eating and not eating which is the exact opposite of the story ashley tried to tell starting in 2020
about stephanie following medical medium information to a t
eat. So Ashley's told many false stories about Stephanie and many other things. And now you've
heard all the different iterations of the infamous cat story we shared earlier on in this podcast
series. Ashley told me directly in my calls with her that Anthony had put her on a fat-free raw
diet and completely missed the cat allergy. However, one of the true versions of that cat
story came from a text conversation Ashley had with you on September 14th of 2018, which was
months after she had given away their pet cat because in fact, Anthony had said that the cat
was part of the problem. In Ashley's text to you, Ashley said that Anthony told her to cut out nuts
and seeds specifically for her son's eczema, but that fats like olive oil were okay.
She also said to you that Anthony had recommended lots of squash, which is something that would be
cooked, of course, not raw. So Ashley obviously was not put on a fat-free raw diet.
Yeah, this one is really crazy to hear so many versions of this story. Ashley and I were actually
talking about this because my daughter had skin issues temporarily directly following my exposure
to all the gasoline that I was sprayed with while I was breastfeeding her. I have texts from Ashley
saying that Anthony told her to cut out nuts and seeds specifically because of the arginine and
that other fats like olive oil were okay and cooked squashes were okay. And that he suggested
bringing in cooked squashes again, along with bringing in lots of green juices.
Yeah. Okay. So now I'm wondering, it's, I mean, years ago, Ashley, and all these false stories,
I'm sure Ashley years ago told you a lot of the false stories that we've debunked in these podcasts,
like the origin of the breast lump discovery and the infamous cat story. And it's got to feel
really weird to look back and realize that you two were told so many untrue stories that were
Ashley's foundational building blocks to get Robbie and the others on board to try to take
down the medical medium community. It has been really upsetting to see this story evolve after
seeing Ashley tell her healing story at the medical medium live event. I know some of you
remember it or you remember hearing about it. Ashley herself was suffering. And I mean, really
suffering and hearing her words firsthand and seeing her life turn around. And now for her to
do this, it doesn't make much sense to me. The very information that saved her life, and these
are her words, not mine, and save my life and several of the other practitioners were plotters.
And now to twist it and to trash it and to manipulate it into an article and into an agenda
is just upsetting. She has been trying so hard to convince everyone out there of things that are
simply not true about Anthony and about this situation. She tried to corner me and make me
believe things that are not true. Anthony saved my life and I've watched thousands of miracles
over the years thanks to this information. There is such a clear agenda here and I actually feel
really bad for everyone who has been swallowed up by this. So many of them have been saved by this
same information, thanks to Anthony. And I know very personally that he has helped most of these
plotters, some of them in their darkest hour, even after Stephanie's death, even when they have
walked away from the information. But that just tells you who Anthony is. Yeah.
Wow. I just have to say how sorry I am again that Ashley targeted you and your family, Kim,
the way that she did in so many different instances. She clearly didn't know the facts
about the Stephanie story. She just felt entitled, apparently, to say whatever she wanted.
She said herself in her text to you that she didn't care about any of the people in the medical
medium community who she hurt with her 2020 posts. If Ashley had genuine questions or concerns about
what had happened with Stephanie, if she had any real interest in pursuing the truth, she could
have asked Anthony about anything. She never did. She could have asked you. She never did.
She decided to take it public only a few months after still trying to sell the medical medium
community on her self-proclaimed expensive retreats with celery juice and a weight loss plan.
She tried to act like some kind of hero or whistleblower when she used a completely false
story. Ashley exploited Stephanie and her private information, which is the saddest part. Yeah. She
caused outrage and chaos in the medical medium community with her false stories. She put you and
others in a situation where you'd have to defend the truth. And then she had the nerve to attack
you for it. Yeah, she attacked my family, my children, my profession. And I just want to talk
about her weight loss book for a second, twisting the information and claiming to be an expert
beyond Anthony's books. I don't quite understand it, Amber, but I can tell you that it confused a
lot of people. Ashley's ebook was targeting postpartum women, and it was a weight loss
plan with portion sizes in ounce amounts. I consulted with a lot of postpartum women who
were influenced by Ashley's ebook to eat less food and restrict their calories as a means of
rapid weight loss. They were under the impression that they were still following medical medium
information when medical medium information does not restrict calories. They were just following
Ashley's twisted information. A lot of these women had their supply of breast milk drop
because they were not eating enough. And some of them even blamed medical medium information for
that when it wasn't medical medium information. It was Ashley's portion controlled information
that she was marketing to the community. And it was so irresponsible. Ashley has done a lot of
damage. I'm hurt and lost, traumatized by all of it. And I just want it to stop.
Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy that you've had, that you had those direct experiences and,
uh, with the impact that Ashley's, that her weight loss ebook had on women, particularly
postpartum women in the community, that's extremely sad. And Ashley really is the originator
of twisting medical medium information.
And she's had a lot of influence
on how that's happened in more recent times,
even with other people and in other cases.
And it's all really sad.
And Ashley has indeed done a lot of damage.
And that's why it's so important that we're here
to set the record straight,
to help stop Ashley and the plotters
from misleading, deceiving, hurting,
or taking the chance to heal away
from anyone else. So thank you very much, Kim, for coming on. I know that you're a busy mom of three
little ones and that this wasn't easy to do. I really appreciate you being here and sharing a
lot of these really difficult experiences. And I appreciate both of you very much.
It's unfortunate that we had to get together for something like this,
setting the record straight. I'm sure the medical medium community and anyone even outside of the
medical medium community truly appreciates your caring and willingness to get the truth out there.
Thank you, Kim. Thank you, guys. I appreciate you both. Thanks.
As we are in the process of exposing Ashley and her organized hateful group for who and what they
really are, it's important to take note of their tactics and patterns that are likely to follow.
The plotters have a documented history of initiating attacks using lies and misinformation,
and then, upon getting called out and corrected, trying to flip it and play victim. That is not
going to work here. All this group has done is spread verifiable lies and falsities, they've
carelessly attacked and harmed many innocent people, they've used and exploited deceased
individuals and others in the process of trying to get what they want, they've repeatedly,
explicitly expressed the intent to harm medical medium, and they've even deliberately tried to
stop Anthony from doing a free event to support and raise money for the community. We have every
right to set the record straight and to defend the truth with facts and evidence and to defend
the chronically ill against the malicious attacks of this group, and we are going to continue to do
so. We expect the plotters to evade and ignore what they have done wrong. We expect them to
continue to lie and spread falsities. We expect them to pivot onto something new they'll make up,
and we expect them to skew and alter data into high critical pieces of evidence that undermines
their entire campaign. We also expect the plotters to fabricate explanations as they do everything
they can to try to discredit what we're exposing them for having done and said in their own words.
but we are using their own text messages, voice messages, social media posts,
words that they spoke on recorded calls and other published materials.
There's no use of any AI in any of these episodes and never will be.
All of the information was fact-checked and forensically investigated.
If you've been harmed, deterred from your healing process,
bullied, shamed, emotionally upset, or physically hurt by flare-ups of your conditions from the
stress-induced by the plotter's attacks like hundreds of others have reported, please go to
medicalmedium.com forward slash safe space to submit your report and share your story.
If you've been contacted by anyone who's tried to deter you from using medical medium information,
please take screenshots and screen recordings and submit them to the same place,
medicalmedium.com forward slash safe space.
